For a lot of trans guys being able to stand to pee (STP) is an important rite of passage that can help relieve some of the emotional and physical discomfort of being trans. Adopting this socialized male behavior can be liberating, alleviating anxiety around bathrooms, and make one feel more whole and complete.
Of course it’s certainly acceptable to opt for a stall instead of the urinal, and lots of cis gender men sit to pee, especially at home. However, not all men’s rooms have a suitable stall. When they do, they’re often in a sorry state of disrepair, with the door precariously hanging off a single hinge, or worse, no door at all. This can be extremely distressing for the trans guy who doesn’t STP.
Thankfully, there’s a wide range of products that one can use to STP. These range from do-it-yourself solutions that cost nothing to more elaborate pack ‘n’ pee prosthetics. Learning to STP usually requires a little training at home and often trying out several STP devices before you find one that gets the job done.
In this article:
How to STP
Perhaps the first place to start is seeing if you can STP without a device. Nathaniel of transboys.info has preserved a helpful brochure on the subject. Check it out here: How to Pee Standing Up.
Learning to STP with a device takes some practice, and it’s a good idea to master the technique before strutting up to a public urinal. Start by practicing in the shower or while standing in your bathtub. When you’re leak-free and confident, move your training to the toilet. For those who aren’t using an STP packer, think about how you will carry your STP device, how you will discreetly setup with it, and how you will clean it when you’re done. Be patient. Learning to STP can be frustrating.
STP Devices
DIY STP Devices
The “Coffee Lid” STP is a free, simple and convenient solution. Simply take a large plastic coffee can lid or equivalent (ie. lids from yogurt, cottage cheese, etc.) and trim the edges off so that you’re left with a flat disk. For smoother edges and more comfort, you can sand the edges with fine grain sandpaper. When you’re ready to use it, roll it into a funnel and simply pee through it. Urine will bead up on the plastic so a vigorous shake will render the disk dry enough to slip it into your back pocket. Free, simple, convenient, though not entirely urinal friendly and perhaps better suited to STPing in a stall.
The Medicine Spoon is a cheap and effective plastic device you can buy at any pharmacy. You’ll find several designs with different sized spoons and tubes and varying plastics, but they all work the same way. You pee into the spoon end. Cut the other end off to provide a hole for the stream. The Medicine Spoon is small enough to fit into your pocket, cheap and is the basis for most STP packer designs, meaning: master the medicine spoon and you’ll master most STP packers.
If you’re good with your hands, consider making your own STP packer. You’ll find complete instructions and helpful tips in the video Make an Ee-zee Pee-zee STP Packer as well as Charles’ Take on STP Devices:
Trans guys on YouTube have posted a ton of videos on DIY STP methods and designs using a variety of materials such as latex tubing, laboratory pipettes, and silicone baking sheets. Watch this Playlist of DIY STP videos for more details. Also check out FTM.dreamwidth.org for a simple and unique medicine dropper solution.
Commercially Available STP Devices
The Magic Cone is a disposable, biodegradable, waterproof cardboard cone that’s quite portable. 3 for $3.95 or 9 for $11. Note: The original merchant (whenyagottago.com) is now offline. You can still get the Magic Cone direct from the manufacturer.
The GoGirl is an unfortunately named STP that’s very portable and inexpensive. The soft silicone does call for extra care during use to prevent leakage. $12.
The SNEE-KEE is a reusable and portable plastic STP. Skin tones aren’t available. $17.
There are a number of STP devices that work well and are easy to use but aren’t particularly portable. You can carry them in a knapsack, but not in your drawers. As such, they offer limited value. They’re included here for completeness, and also to help give you ideas about making your own STP devices.
- Lady J – $7.99
- Pibella Travel – $25.20 CAD
- SheWee – £4.99
- pStyle – $12
- The Whiz Freedom– £7.95
- The Freshette – $34.95
Read a comparison review of the pStyle, Whiz Easy and GoGirl.
STP Packers
The EZP* Stand to Pee Packer by Transthetics was designed to deliver, with awesome realism, ease of use, comfort and no harness required. Want a FREE EZP? Enter to WIN by February 28, 2019.
The Realistic Silicone STP
by Number One Laboratory is made from a single piece of silicone that’s both durable and pliable and results in a lightweight, comfortable STP device. The realistic design enables stealthy use of urinals. $58
Model A STP & Model D STP
by Number One Laboratory. Realistic STP Packers with round-backed balls that hang down and a painted glans. Sturdy and easy to use. Model D: 4 1/2″. Model A (large): 5 1/2″, cup length 3″. Vanilla, Caramel, or Coffee. $78-$84 USD. Can be worn with the Slingshot STP Harness.
Sam STP Packer
A semi-realistic stand-to-pee packer that can be worn in snug underwear like briefs or boxer briefs. Made of firm but flexible silicone and available in Caramel, Chocolate and Vanilla colors. $75 USD.
STP Prosthetics
Emisil
Emisil offers highly realistic flaccid and erect FTM prosthetics, as well as STP packers for convenient urination, and hollow penis extensions for those who have had phalloplasty.
Options include up to 16 different skin and hair colors with full 360° scrotum and two movable floating testicles. You can also choose between circumcised and uncut models. With Emisil’s fast production times and 2-4 day international delivery via DHL Express, the prosthetic of your dreams is just around the corner.
Featuring three silicone layers, each of different softness to provide an incredibly real feel, Emisil’s prosthetics are:
- Hygienic, easy to clean with standard soap and water;
- Very realistic and soft for extra comfort;
- Very durable and high performance.
Emisil’s Compact STP is one of the most affordable STP prosthetics available. The unique design features an inner tunnel that helps prevent dripping or leaking. The ergonomic design makes it comfortable and easy to use. The Compact STP comes in 4 different skin colors and it’s easy to clean with soap and water. Measurements: Length – 4in (10 cm) | Girth – 4.7in (12 cm). €92.00
Emisil’s 2nd Gen STP is a highly realistic medium-sized penis prosthetic with STP and Pack & Play functionality (with erection rod). The shaft is finely detailed with veins and subtle skin shading, and a very nice skin texture, plus a full 360° scrotum. The 2nd Gen STP is among Emisil’s most popular models. Measurements: Length – 5.5 in (14cm) | Girth – 5 in (13cm). €340.00
“The attention to detail is stunning with realistic textures and complimenting colours. The STP portion is easy to work with and doesn’t retain any urine, so a quick shake and you’re ready to move.” — Customer review
Emisil’s new 3G STP was designed by a team of professionals for comfort and flawless functionality. This leak-resistant circumcised prosthetic penis makes STP easy and natural. The 3rd Gen STP fits comfortably in your pants for the whole day, and it accommodates an erection rod for Pack & play functionality. Measurements: Length 11 cm – (4.3 in) | Girth 11 cm – (4.3 in) | Weight 200 g – 7 oz. €417.00
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Conclusion
For those who want to STP, or find themselves in situations where they have little choice, the wide range of STP devices available can help solve the logistical problems while also alleviating some of the anxiety that many of us feel around public bathrooms.
Leave a comment if you have suggestions for STP designs or techniques, reviews of the devices you’ve tried, and especially if you’re aware of more international options for buying STP devices and STP packers.
Related info:
- FTM Guide: Men’s Room Etiquette and Safety
- Refuge Restrooms: Bathrooms for Everyone
- The Packer Showdown
- The Great Packing Harness Roundup
Unless otherwise noted, all prices are in USD.
Joshua! “GoDude!” Your articles are ALWAYS so thorough and well-researched.
I def resonant feelings of STPing being a rite of passage. It was extremely important to me to be able to do so, if even just once or twice. But I think it was so important for me to do so because I wanted to assert my male-identity in that all-male space. And when I first started T, I wouldn’t pass all the time. STPing put that question of my gender out of people’s minds. “He must be a dude. He’s peeing in a urinal!”
But now that I have all of those secondary masculine characteristics — facial hair, deep voice, etc etc — I don’t feel the huge urge to STP. Not being able to do so easily and naturally creates some dysphoria for me. But so does sitting.
Ehh — the life of a transman.
However, I’ve been wanting to try the Go Girl and have seen them at a bunch of Pride’s this summer.
Nicely done, Joshua. 🙂
Michael, Go dude! Michael is doing great things for the FTM community with nipple STP’s. I’ve heard great stuff from guys using it.
Thanks for updating!
Go Dude! Loved the article and found it very informative. Thanks!
Hey guys! Thanks for the awesome STP tutorial and the reviews of various products. Awesome! Also, GoDude!
Thanks Joshua! I’d never heard of the STP Fitz before! I might try it when I have the $. Go Dude! I love your writing and contribution to the community.
Fellas, great article and products! Go, Dude is not nearly enough to say to thank y’all for getting this information out to the masses and give all of us some possibilities for being true to ourselves. Cheers!
Go Dude! Great article, man. I love running into these kinds of straight up, informative, concise resources online.
“GoDude!” – I am finally making my move, so to speak. Thanks to the reviews and resources on this site, just ordered the Mr. Limpy packer and a 3 pack of Travelmates. I went with the limpy because I want to start off small to get comfortable. I saw a great video on Youtube of a British FTM converting a Mr. Limpy into an STP – you should check it out. I hope I win the contest!!!
GoDude! I haven’t yet invested in one of these but can see the many advantages…for one, getting in and out of the washroom in record time.
GoDude!
Thanks for encapsulating years of trial and error, experimenting and invention. At my age its a relief to have a sit on the man-throne and being a non-smoker it can also be my only excuse for extra breaks, but to all those who feel a need to STP… GoDude!
Go dude! Thank you for this extensive article. You’ve really put my mind at ease about STP and gotten me interested in giving it another go.
I am the owner of Gear Guy Gear. The FTM STUD is going to be returning Week of July 19, 2010. Supplies are being gathered now. As always, I offer 3 receptacle lengths that are geared towards Transguys of different stature and weight.
Prices (not changing from beginning – Money Order/Cashier Check)
$35 for the 3.5″ Flesh tone
$45 for the 5.5″ Flesh tone
For those who have latex allergies, I have alternate tubing but still the smaller bore 3/8 OD/1/4 ID, not the monster tubing the others use. All latex tubing swells after prolonged contact with soft packer material. With larger bore, this can cause a semi-erection and makes your STP more visible, which is not good when you are at work, church or public where decency is required of you.
Last, you have the option to buy one FTM Cock Strap ($5 w/purch then $10 for ea. after) and FTM Cock Sock ($8 w/purch then $12 for ea. after) at a discounted rate when purchased with the FTM STUD with any added at regular price, which is pretty low anyway.
I hope this helps the guys on this site better understand the items I make.
Nick
The Gear Guy
PS: I recommend the owner of this site putting up the same warning I will have and Hudson @ http://www.ftmguide.org/bathroom.html, has under the Mango link. Countless Transmen have never gotten what they paid for and no emails from any of them have ever been answered. The owner will not answer you for any reason.
I have saved all emails I have received from people who are out a lot of money (some hundreds of dollars) who now have an FTM STUD. I also have a personal friend who purchased his Mango in September 2008 [yes, 2008] and has yet to get it, get a refund or hear a word from the Mango maker, Brett L. PhD
Just an FYI, when you order anything from me and provide your cell number, allowing texts from me, I keep you updated on the progress of your order, which means, you have my cell number.
I just bought materials to make an STP, I mastered just the spoon a while back but had problems with the length of it in my hand. Going to cut the spoon in half and attach neoprene tubing to the end so I can bend it in half to conceal it. I am super excited to try it.
GoDude!
I would like to try one if I have the extra cash in my pocket 🙂
GoDude!
GODUDE!!!!! you guys rock for doing this. major props!!! 😀
Go Dude this is a great option thanks!
Alot of prostetics are wonderful, but most of them lack the ability for STP. It’s annoying. Somebody make one that’s inexpensive! Godude!
great article! lots of good info!
GoDude!
nicely done ..tried a few of my own inventions ..half teh fun in getting it right
Standing to pee is the right of passage I have not yet experienced due to fear and anxiety. Having a more reliable product than what I have tried in the past would immensely curb my dysphoria that arises when I am in the space of a men only restroom. This looks to be a great product! GoDude!
I remember as a kid I used to think it was SO funny reciting the alphabet and leaving the letter P out, then when asked “where’s the P?” i’d say “running down my leg!”
yeah…not so funny now I’m an adult 🙂
Australia needs these kinda resources like “GoDude”
International shipping and money conversion is a real pain in my hairy T bum.
Good to know – we made our own, with mixed results. Time to look for one that’s a little less leak-friendly. GoDude!
Hey GO DUDE!!! I tried making my own STP device but it was a fail lol. All this information is awesome though 🙂
Awesome article i think i might save some money up for a STP packer. GoDude!
GoDude!! Thanks for the info and for the give-away. I have been looking for something that works that is more compact than the P-style. I currently use the P-style at home and use a stall and sit when in public.
“Go Dude!” I just started therapy for transitioning about a month ago. This was really helpful thanks guys!
i wanna stand to pee too D:
GoDude!
“Go Dude!”
I remember when I was little I almost had it mastered to pee standing up but my parents weren’t too happy about that. Seems I need to step up my game again via STP. Haha
GoDude! hey I am a new out FTM and do not have the courage to use the mens washroom but i have heard good things about this.
“Go Dude”! I love this article, but it makes me miss my stp…
go dude!
GO DUDE!!!! Great article. Exactly what I was looking for.
I’ve used the Travel Mate – it works pretty well, but I have to wear boxers make sure I can use it comfortably and quickly. I just took a 16 hour car ride and eventually gave up on it altogether, though – it just takes a lot of time and messing around to get to it. Still looking into other STP’s.
Go dude!!
GoDude!
Thanks for writing up on this. For the longest time I wasn’t comfortable with even attempting to use a STP device because the thought of possibly getting piss all over me was somewhat…annoying. To know that there are other STP devices out there is awesome! Thanks again!
GO DUDE!!! Great article, I learned a lot more from it than i had already known. I think that the STP devices are really helpful in assisting us guys with working into our right of passage (standing to pee). Thanks 🙂
i really want to be good at using an stp. if my brother is like godude i could just go in a urinal. no searching for a clean stall or anything like that.
Awesome article, been wondering how to choose a good one to buy for a while.
GoDude!
Go dude-s! Great article. Nice to see all the info, reviews, links and advice in one place.
If you want to stand and pee then you have to try stuff till you find what works for you.
This year I gave a class on DIY stp packers. Sourcing the supplies was a challenge.
The right size of Latex tubing is becoming harder to get at my local, medical supplier. So are spoons. Most pharmacies will give you free samples. All you need is the time and tools to cut and sand them. Not all spoons fit the tubing.
I bought some replacement plumbing from Djknowsdick. (He makes a great product. He’s been doing it for a long time. My first stp packer is one of his. He’s helpful and reliable. Plus his prices are awesome.)
note: one trick is to use some plumber’s or medical tape to secure the spoon onto the tubing. This prevents pop-offs.
Always make sure your hookup is tight before you whizz.
Finding the right packer to modify is another challenge. Any dildo can be made into a STP – but read some articles on why that $100, hard silicone, 9 inch, purple glitter, sex toy may not be your best choice at the company urinal.
Ok so what to buy? When starting out or budget minded, for 15 bucks Mr Limpy is the most affordable choice. Has four sizes but it’s only available in pink. Ugh. Plus it gets grungy real fast. It’s super easy to plumb and it will fade to a greyish color. Fine for practice and stall use.
Personally i care about the color and feel of my packer. So do a lot of my POC pals.
Mr Right does come in 3 colors- some like em and some really don’t. At 50 bucks,they ain’t cheap either.
My newly found, favorites are GV Soft Packs. Feel good, fit good, look good and they got the colors right. They’re truely awesome and amazingly priced! $24-28.
Only a few places have them. Early To Rise has the best prices and selection. They are great at keeping stuff in stock or getting what you need. Their shipping is fast. The staff is awesome!
I ordered some GV packers for me, my friends and the workshop participants.
We plumbed them with either the Dj spoon tubes or the ones i made from tubing and baby bottle nipples.
Note: Don’t get slow flow nipples or the kind with air holes. Buy fast flow, silicone ones. In both small and large sizes. You’ll need to try both. Maybe buy with friends as they come in multi-packs.
Came across that idea from a guy who taught me a better method of plumbing. He said to use very small, silicone baking funnels. I was unable to find any. Seems they don’t make them anymore. The nipples have worked better than spoons for some folks.
More about the GV Soft Pack. It’s mostly cyberskin. It has a small core of regular silicone. If tampered with it breaks up, into small little pieces that get everywhere and stick to the dick. In class we found out what a mess it makes when you plumb it.
Save yourself the mess and hassle- get a pre-plumbed Gv (it’s a Stp-Fitz) from Early to Rise.
God, this would make my life so much easier… Go, Dude!
The Fleshtone can also be found at: http://toolshedtoys.com/ as well as http://www.early2bed.com/
The Tool Shed carries the stp versions of these as well as stp version of GV’s “Sailor” packer.
I finally made my own out of a regular packer and some tubing and a baby nipple. It was cheaper that way cuz I got the packer on clearance. All you do to get the hole through it is heat a screw driver tip jabs right through. The tubing is fish tank air tubing cheap and effective and then the nipple at the top which I put water proof silicone to hold it together it is now awesome!
Thanks for mentioning my FTM STUD. I now offer several receptacles, different types of tubing, including Silcone for those with latex allergies and two colors!
FTM STUD colors and lengths:
The 3.5″ FTM STUD (the average size of the flaccid male penis for men up to 6 feet tall – this is based on actual studies.) Colors: Flesh Tone & Caramel (Pretty much the color of its namesake.)
The 5.5″ FTM STUD (the average size of the flaccid male penis for men over 6 feet tall and great for very heavy guys with extra pubic bone padding, NOT recommended for anyone who wears XS or Small underwear, under at least 5’10 or very thin – you will look like you have a hard-on.) Colors: Flesh Tone & Caramel.
The Receptacle choices as of 2011:
100% Silicone Nipple/Cup in 3 sizes: Standard Width Clear with regular depth bowl, Standard Width Green with shallow bowl, Small Width Clear for very small guys and very experienced guys. (An FYI from the make your own guide above regarding the nipple receptacle: The flow doesn’t matter – the end that has the flow opening, where the infant sucks fluid or cereal out of the end of the nipple, is cut off. Just make sure you buy the wide nipple – again, flow does not matter.)
New Medium: This is the medicine spoon found in most drug store chains. It’s great for beginners or anyone else.
The Big Guy: This medicine spoon is hard to find but has a wider bowl. (If anyone reading this remembers the first guy who posted a how to make an STP from the late 90’s, FriffBoy, it was the one he used.) Great for bigger guys and beginners. The aforementioned with the special coating known as the Slim-Line Receptacle.
Available in 3 lengths: This is a smaller 3/4″ width slender round medicine spoon. (Very hard to find). It starts out clear. I cut into 3 different set lengths. For those who have used it before and need a custom length, I will cut into any length under the max length. After cutting, beveling the cut end, sanding then inserting 2 step down vinyl stems to accommodate the tubing width, the entire length of each is dipped into a thick rubber coating that, when dry, is inert (safe.)
The Tubing: Regular Latex, Sulfur-Free Latex, Low Protein Latex for minimal latex allergies. 100% FDA approved Silicone for those with moderate to severe latex allergies.
Extras: Any holder I make is offered at a deep discount when ordered with the FTM STUD. This discount applies to the first holder ordered at the time. All extras are at regular price
New in March 2011: Cleaning brushes in just the right length and width for each receptacle I offer.
question: the fritz, are you walking around with the packer and tube on or are you carrying the tube and having to go through taking the tube out of your pocket, pulling your pants down and then sticking the tube in to stp? im just wondering how it all works because when you walk up to a stall you can’t be messing with a tube and removing the packer. I’m sorry I’m uneducated on stps, never had one, never seen one. I would like to wear packer/stp that I can just unzip and go. please help.
GoDude! 😀
I read the whole article and enjoyed every bit of it. I’ve always wanted an STP (secretly) but I can’t afford one (same goes for binders) due to having no job, so it’s hard. Although, I manage to TRY and pass when I’m out in public. Anyways, love what you’re doing. Keep up the good work! 🙂
I’m puzzled as to why this guide to STP provides a link to a “misandry” website full of women/feminist hating idiots. Anyone care to answer?
I’m not a ftm, just a curious girl trying to learn more about the transgender community. This was very informative.
While I’m not personally invested in the need to STP, I wouldn’t pay too much attention to anything you see on the MAPSU website – their response to someone advocating women S-ingTP was this:
“MAPSU Responce: This isn’t exactly a counter point. While there is some value in being able to pee standing up in such situations where there is no toilet, this is pretty useless. I think that women should spend their idle energy thinking about how to better fulfill male sexual needs, not trying to learn now to urinate standing”
I don’t know what their opinion would be on transguys who want to pee standing up. Maybe they think there’s no such thing…
Gendercloud – eagerly awaiting my first soft packer!
For anyone interested in a very reliable variation on all of the above, I’ve been making and selling my own design to help me save for much needed revision surgery. Visit my website http://www.urinall.co.uk for more information or visit my YouTube channel http://www.YouTube.com/user/dylanwikifoo and look at my most recent STP video =)
“GoDude!” love this site, love the informitive articals. keep up the great work people.
Go Dude!
Hey! I’ve experimented with an STP made of a water bottle. It’s really not that good, though it was an ok ‘first home made’ STP. Do you have any websites to recommend buying medicine spoons and latex tubing? This site is great!
I NEED A STP “(GO DUDE)” PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Hey all
Jumping in here late with STP info. As Joshua has mentioned my gear in the Great Packing roundup, http://www.tranzwear.com carries 5 different types of STP;s, as well as non packing STP’s for those who want to try out a style before plunking down $40+ for the packing STP. I also have a variety of harnesses that hold your STP doubling as a packer harness as well. Our new RingMaster is IMHO the best harness out there for both packing and STP, and it’s the best seller out in the community as well. Check out what we have and I am more than happy to answer any questions about the styles and differences. Just ping me at tranzwear@gmail.com
Den
Do you guys know anything about this site that says they’re making a prosthetic stp and everything all in one for $229. I think it’s a scam. Please let me know. I’m pretty sure its fraud.
@Jay Since you think it’s a scam, I removed the link to the website. The website’s domain name has a faked registration, so yeah, this doesn’t seem very legit.
What a GREAT article! I’m sharing it all over the place! Oh and . . . “GoDude!” You know I want a GoGirl! 😉
I think this product is absolutely fabulous. It’s difficult being pro-op and after looking into this I’ve been incredibly interested. The convenience and sense of being just “one of the guys” when out and about, is overwhelming. All I can say is “GoDude!”
I’m just looking for device I can use to pee standing so I don’t have to pull my pants down outside in the cold. Does the medicine spoon work well?
Also, Go Girl should really make a flesh toned Go Dude STP as should all the companies that make pink,purple, and blue FUDs. As a female, I don’t care what color the device I might get will be. I’m just trying to not be freezing when I have to pee when I’m in the woods with no bathroom. I’m sure most other outdoorsy females are the same way so these companies should be more mindful and cater to trans-men’s needs or make a separate ftm product basically the same product but in more urinal friendly colors.
There is another STP device called the SheWee which has good reviews on Amazon for $20 which might also be a good practice device for guys.
Doh! I just saw that the SheWee is listed.
Did not see FreeTom, EZP, or PeeCock listed here – are they US only?
Quite right, Spenser! This article is more than 5 years old and pre-dates FreeTom, EZP and a number of others. I’ll work on an update soon, and will also remove products that are no longer available.
Have any trans guys experimented with standing to pee without a physical device? I have experimented with waterproof bandaids with and without a small tube style stp device, by taping from the bottom of my inner labia minora together from the bottom around to the top near the clit (not trying to offend pple so don’t hate, just trying to be clear) to get the appearance of a micropenis. I found it worked better without the tube because the tube would come out of place while moving around and was uncomfortable for sitting and bending. I’m considering experimenting with an amonia free latex body paint to seal over the area and wondered if any other people have tried anything like this. The reason I was trying to do this was to have a quicker easier and more comfortable way of being able to stand to pee. I don’t like to have a device in my pocket that i have to put in place each time, and wash, and it could fall out and be found by a coworker or housemate. I also haven’t found an stp that is comfortable to wear for long periods. Anyway I am just curious and hoping to hear from other people who have tried anything similar. I like to stand to pee but I don’t want to take significantly longer than it takes me to sit to pee which I can do very fast.
Am i right in thinking that the STP Packers can be used/worn as a normal packer but also double as something you can use to urinate with (then shake off and put away in your pants a.k.a like a guy would do if he was born male?)
Yes, that’s right Jacob, an STP packer is a packer that also has STP functionality. There are also plain STP devices, which can be used for STP but are not packers; they’re usually stored in your pocket.
As a girl with sex dysphoria but not gender dysphoria, it practically feels like the go girl was made for me , haha!